Pro-Choice GOP Warns Party That Contraception Fight Will Be A Disaster

They are digging their own graves, our votes will push them in.

The main problem with TPTB in the r/tp cult is that they truly believe that they are above reproach, that the citizens are too stupid to see what is going on, and that they actually believe their own warped lies as being reality.

We do need at least 2 parties to act in the best interests of the citizens and the country, but the r/tp have lost that right to be considered as a viable party. I like the idea bellingham stated @1.13, that we have a progressive and a moderate party configuration. The conservatives wouldn't be happy, but they are never happy anyway with all the ghosts of change that they are scared of.

@onefan51,

No GOP will not stop this false spin on women contraception.

Not too long ago, GOP has being given false argument vs. the President Health Plan that it takes away people right to choose, and now GOP is taken away women right to choose a health option for prevention purpose. Shame on GOP!

By the way, when will Mitt Romney going to talk about his faith-Mormon, instead of women contraception?

When will the GOP senate focus on real issue, instead of women contraception?

By the way, when will Mitt Romney going to talk about his faith-Mormon, instead of women contraception?

When will the GOP senate focus on real issue, instead of women contraception?

They can't! Simply because there is nothing else they are capable of addressing with any real answers, so they keep focused on this for maximum attention and distraction, at least they hope so. But it is likely to backfire badly a when slowly get the negative message they are sending!

Brian: Great post. He doesn't talk about his mormon faith because he will paint himself into a corner more than he already has. Is it not that religion that believes in bigamy? I think women need to ask the male dominated GOP one question:

If you cut off our reproductive rights, may we cut off yours?

If you cut off our reproductive rights, may we cut off yours?

Good point Marlene. All women should demand that no more vasectomies and Viagra pills are paid by health insurance plans for men. And before a man can get a vasectomy a doctor must show him a before surgery photo and he must receive counseling. Why aren't the right-wing religious hypocrites mandating legislation regarding this? Answer: because they're hypocrites.

Answer: because they're hypocrites.

Yes, but also because they are MEN and only their needs should be catered for! Hence their callous attitude to vulnerable women who experience rape, incest etc.

But I bet if ALL contraception devices were stopped, we'd see a different reaction.

they are MEN and only their needs should be catered for!

I agree!

Oh, wait - you didn't mean it that way, did you. I guess I should take more time to understand the context, next time.

@onefan: Excellent idea. That's certainly another way to look at it, eventhough I had something else in mind. :D

... eventhough I had something else in mind. :D

Marlene. I got cha'. You're going to cut men up ... or is it off? lol

Nah. I'm not a hard core man-basher. I'm more Peg Bundy than June Cleaver. Would rather be Kelly. LOL. I love men. My husband, a retired firefighter, lamented about the quotas to hire women in the department as firefighters. As paramedics, they were great. But, they can't carry a 230lb man down a ladder from a burning building. In addition, you dudes can fix things and tools fit your hands better than mine. Yes, I meant off, but only to those who want to control how we deal with something that's highly personal like our bodies. That would not include you or most of the male posters I have encountered. However, your interpretation of my comment was much better than my play on words--an excellent idea. And, many thanks for your FR. I am delighted and honored to accept.

And, many thanks for your FR. I am delighted and honored to accept

Thanks for accepting. I am more than honored to have you as a friend. I definitely wouldn't want you as an enemy.

8)

Onefan51: I've read some of your posts, and I wouldn't want you for an enemy either. 8D

Please oh please don't blame Christians for Tea Party crap. Some of us have sense.

@ambivalent: When some blame christians, and use a small "c," like myself, perhaps they are pointing out that some christians, have been deceived by Lucifer's agenda. Hence, the small "c".

There are christians that truly are evil. Very evil. Every time they utter the name of Jesus, they do so with blasphemy. They are the seekers of wealth. The seeders of hate. And Lucifer's agents for fear and division. Beware of them.

Absolutely, how well I know.

Barry-barry-libcon:

There are christians that truly are evil. Very evil. Every time they utter the name of Jesus, they do so with blasphemy. They are the seekers of wealth. The seeders of hate. And Lucifer's agents for fear and division. Beware of them.

Or if they are like me that just forgot to press the Shift key. :)

Please oh please don't blame Christians for Tea Party crap. Some of us have sense.

Ambivalent:

I understand your pain, I see a self proclaimed Atheist here on newsvine that is fine with Christians pushing their religion. Thinks atheists are the ones attacking religion, and thinks Christians don't harm anyone. Did I mention he complained about atheists being door knockers and causing problems?

It sucks but what can you do besides slam your head into the damn wall?

Bonos,

You should have seen the look my wife gave me, after I gave my monitor a good talking to. But I can not claim he is a fake atheist, since I think the whole "not a real Christian" is crap as well. I don't want to be a hypocrit.

So I am left with that icky feeling inside. Do I think he is a real atheist, NO. He has never stated anything otherwise while on the vine. If you doubt me, I can find the name for you if you would like, but I will not post it in here.

Didn't Jesus have one single commandment, "love they neighbor"? You would think the right wing fundamentalists that call themselves experts on the Bible would at least have the attention span and reading comprehension to get through one single commandment. It doesn't say "control thy neighbor."

Republicans have a "monopoly" thang going on. They consider themselves to be the only real Christians, the only real patriots and the only real Americans. And a group photo of that is all white.

The republicans have been warned by their own before, they are allowing their Ideology to be over run by the theologically driven passions that have doomed our Species since it's dawning on our planet's surface. We see it in every other country immediately, every religious state with the exception of Israel and Saudi Arabia(allies) is immediately deemed hostile/evil/batsh*t crazy , and that's because fundamentalist states are powder kegs with short fuses, logic , reason and tolerance are not allowed or welcomed in these places , so it's no wonder they are so easy to vilify. So why is it so many in the GOP are ready , willing and currently participating in placing the most powerful nation in the world, both in terms of both military and monetary might, in the hands of our own fundamentalist?

It's a question each of you that support the right needs to ask your self and then your party leaders. Being a Christian should be protected in this country, anything past that is both unnecessarily needed and the cause to many of our political problems today, especially within the GOP. It's not the Governments role to play favorites in religions, it's the Governments role to ensure every religion has it's fair and equal shot, in other words let the PEOPLE decide, a noble concept. Your religion shouldn't want in politics and your political party shouldn't give a rat's arse what you believe in private, and if either is true you as a decent human should leave in protest as allowing either violates the sanctity of both and makes a mockery of both Institutions.

and if either is true you as a decent human should leave in protest as allowing either violates the sanctity of both and makes a mockery of both Institutions

Should read:

and if either isn't true you as a decent human should leave in protest as allowing either violates the sanctity of both and makes a mockery of both Institutions

My bad =)

If you take away birth control, and gay bashing from the "new republican's" platform, what will they have left?

Add "abortion" to that, and unfortunately for them, not much.

What do you have left if you eliminate women who are assertive about their rights, Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, everyone who is left of Attila and Matilda the Huns, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, universalists, etc... ? Who is left to vote for your crazy candidates?

Its called painting yourself into a corner. And they won't stop until there is a huge backlash against their REGRESSIVE movement.

Let us pray.

Now, Santorum is actually saying that sex is bad. Is this guy for real? Let's see....Santorum has seven kids or so. Gosh, he has only had sex seven times??? This is ludicrous.

i wonder what skeleton he has in his closet....

i wonder what skeleton he has in his closet....

depends on if he's using somthing other than formaldehyde as a preservitive

It's that thing he hangs his gimp suit on.....

Let's prey? On whom?

Santorum needs a Sanitarium.

'If Jesus were alive today, the last thing he'd be is a Christian.'

Mark Twain

#5. I don't remember Bob Dole's "bridge to the 50's", but I do remember that he was pro-choice. So was Richard Nixon. Today's right wing extremist, greedy, sex obsessed Republicans are nothing more than angry misogynists posturing as "religious". For years they had a single issue - tax breaks for the rich. Then, with the help of their corporate funders and masters, they came up with attacks on the rights of women, on workers rights, on standards to keep our air and water reasonably clean, and of course their vicious old, "go to" rallying point - the vilification of gays. Is anybody really stupid enough to believe that all this hate and theft is religious, or is it just willful ignorance of the teachings of Christ?

Bob Dole made a big appeal for "one last mission" trying to attract voters who recalled the past with nostalgia. It worked for my mother. She was furious when I pointed out that the 50's might be attractive to old white men, but it left a lot to be desired for everyone else, including women of ALL races. As I recall, Clinton took Dole's stump speech and used it to emphasize that what was needed was not a bridge to the past but one to the future.

She was furious when I pointed out that the 50's might be attractive to old white men, but it left a lot to be desired for everyone else, including women of ALL races.

Amen to that!! People will only return to what they benefited from.

bonos, Assless chaps? Kinky! I bet that you have some of those in your closet!

It's amazing that the Republicans(Santorum) are pushing for this kind of lunacy in the year 2012!

It would be interesting to know how John and Bobby Kennedy would be dealing with this issue. Remember when John said something to the effect that he wouldn't let his church interfer with his presidential responsibilities. Yes, these are labor/medical insurance issues; my understanding is that in several states these policies have already been in operation. Can people just opt out of the insurance that their job provides and contract to pay for their own insurance?

Excuse me for noticing but John Boehner said the 2010 elections were about jobs, jobs, jobs. Then for over a year there were no Republican jobs legislation proposals. Then they some up with a sickening "jobs" bills proposal focused on grossly overindulging the rich and corporations even further and hoping for trickle down.

And in the meantime, they are fixated on religion, sex, birth control, abortion, etc.... everything but jobs.

My understanding of Obama's position is that church supported hospitals need to provide birth control if they are to receive government funding. In short, function like a PUBLIC hospital. He's not taking away anyone's rights, as everyone still has the right to not participate in those services.

Steven:

I agree. They are making concession after concession to their far right wing to keep them on board as Republican voters and not forming their own party. The real problem with that in the big picture is they are alienating their moderates, independents and cross over voters - which is probably as large or a larger faction than the Teapublicans.

What they are really doing is exploiting Teapublicans for votes and creating a smokescreen to hide the fact they are owned by the Koch brothers, Big Oil, ALEC, Wall Street, etc... The real agenda is to create a corporatocracy, and a party of, by and for the corporations.

It shows that the United States of America can still be the guardian of morally lead population

Whose morals, exactly? Those of white, male, chauvinists with closed minds?

Those appear to be the only highly visible, loud mouthed promoters of their own 'moral' brand they wish to impose on everyone else.

I sincerly hope that the message from Missouri and the two other states resonate all over America.

I agree. It should resonate all over America about how far to the right the Republican Party has drifted. I also sincerely hope there is a huge general election backlash against Republicans.

Santorum won in Colorado? What does that say about Colorado?

I have no right to impose my morality on you and you have no right to impose your morality on me. That's diversity. Live with it!

God told Santorum, Bachmann and Perry to run for president? That only proves to me that God is a Democrat.

Santorum won two caucuses and anon-binding primary. He added exactly 0 delegates to his count with those three "wins." A caucus is not an election. He still has a long way to go before he can get the nod and personally, I think his campaign will sink just like Cain's and Bachmann's.

The Repub candidates, all of them, are running a dangerous line here (dangerous in that it won't get the Repub party elected). To a one they are presching conservatism, yet, a stargith conservative or straight liberal line does NOT work..we need a more moderate approach where compromise is the way to go in order to get things done...in other words, common sense. Right now, our congress and these Repub candidates all lack that and instead prefer to point fingers and say my way or no way.

Well, clue here congress, it isn't working.

God told Santorum, Bachmann and Perry to run for president? That only proves to me that God is a Democrat.

Got to be, if they all got the call. God must be laughing at their demise.

It wasn't God telling them to run. It was just the voices in their heads (or in Bachmann's case her husband's voice) and their level of perceived self-importance that made them run.

There are a clutch of crazies here in the north star state who love people like Rick Santorum. A lot of them went to caucuses but the overall count was about 1/3 of the turnout of four years ago. I think it's great that Rick is doing so well as it improves the chances that Obama and the other adults currently in charge will get more time to try and fix the mess that Bush and co left behind.

Hey Marcel, Good luck with that! This is the United States and it is the year 2012! Sure, there a many PRUDES in the country, but the vast majority don't want the so-called "moral majority" telling them how to lead their sex and reproductive lives! Get with the program, dude!

By the way, your Republican candidate, old Newty, is the least moral of them all!

MNguy1, Yes, the voter turnout for the primaries is vastly low compared to previous primaries. That is very good news for the Democrats. Perhaps the Republicans/teabaggers already sense that Obama is going to win again!

Amen to that!!

Agreed to a point but the idea of separation of church and state would never allow this country to EVER be ruled under any religious law. I don't have a lot of confidence in the Supreme Court after some of their more boneheaded rulings but one thing I can say is that they stick to that premise.

The repub candidates are shooting themselves in their own feet by pandering to the religious groups. I am a believer but I cringe at the way these candidates are using religion and fanatic religious stands to work their campaigns.

S**t, now they're strapping on rocket packs.

Brilliant description!! get ready for the explosion. It's not far off. :o)

Maybe its just a thing were they go so far to the right that they will fall off of the right edge of their flat little world or their heads will explode.

Let's hope so, mountainmike. It should be fun to watch!

The President have them on the ropes and they don't know it yet....

What a surprise they'll get!

Whoever is the Republican campaign manager should be fired. Poor brand positioning. Poor understanding of your target market. Poor everything except the millions wasted in your campaign

Excellent summary of current situation! I think they need you to help them out of their mess, sunshine girl!

I agree Sunshine picked the GOP line of attack, however

Pitch their ENTIRE campaign to people 45 and older with 1950's values.

I'm a member of the 45 and over group and I even agree with some of the 1950's values, slightly modified in the area of women's rights, but hey there are some aspects of the 50's I'd like to get back.

1. being able to achieve the American Dream on ONE income, modification, I don't care who wants to stay home with the kids Mom or Dad makes no difference or even part time Mom and Part time Dad taking turns raising the kids, but I think families should be able to choose to have one or both(at different times) of the parents at home with the kids. Our kids deserve it!

2. To actually be able to work a 40 hour week and live at decent standard.

3. To be able to afford health care

4. To be able to afford to save and put your children through college.

5. To be able to save for retirement without having to sacrifice comfort now for comfort at retirement, retirement should be an attainable state not a dream!

6. a vacation once in a while should be the norm.

Not everything about the 50's values should be forgotten! At least not to this born in the 60's dreamer! So just because a person holds on to some of the values of the 50's it doesn't mean they buy into the GOP party far right rhetoric!

2. To actually be able to work a 40 hour week and live at decent standard.

3. To be able to afford health care

4. To be able to afford to save and put your children through college.

Fine aims and objectives until you add these:

5. To be able to segregate.

6. To keep women in their place.

7. To witch hunt and oppress.

8. To cope directly with the ghastly aftermath of a world war, the Holocaust and Nazism

The point I am trying to make is that we can't have just the good bits without the bad when we go back in time to the values of yesteryear. There are excellent reasons why we have evolved to what we are TODAY. The best thing for humanity is not wishing to go backwards where we have been but to adapt what we can to suit, from what we have, and forge forward with confidence into the unknown because no world is ever perfect. Change and death are the only two inevitable states of life.

Not everything about the 50's values should be forgotten! At least not to this born in the 60's dreamer! So just because a person holds on to some of the values of the 50's it doesn't mean they buy into the GOP party far right rhetoric!

renee, you are smack on correct!

I should have clarified what I meant by 1950s values. The economic values and the higher standard of living and upward class mobility are all fine. I was referring to the socially conservative values of the 1950s with regard to women, gays, minorities and the "communism/socialism" boogie-man scare that had this hyper-Christian effect on society, the emergence of corporatism and consumerism taking advantage of a gullible public and exposing them to carcinogens and toxins and telling them it was good for them etc.

I should also add that what makes the GOP's brand positioning so terrible as well is that even among people over 45, there has been a cultural shift. We have a youth-oriented market where people want to embrace and be embraced by the younger generation, their ideals, their gadgets, their technology, their lingo.

bonos rama, if I told you what I studied at university you would laugh your head off- Agriculture.

Just goes to show where you start off is not always where you end up.

Two weeks ago I found my father's book: How to Win Friends and Influence People, by Dale Carnegie. It was the original published back in the '50's, pages all yellow and brittle. Started reading it. Here's the part about being a good wife:

Ladies, before your betrothed comes home from work, please remember he has been working all day. He will be tired. Make sure the kids are bathed and quieted down. Put on some lipstick and a pretty ribbon in your hair. Change your clothes and freshen up. Make sure dinner is on the table. Fluff up his pillows on the sofa and make him comfortable. And, ladies, while you are a-fluffin' those pillows, remember they go in back of his head, not over his face. (that part was from me).

That's what the 1950's was like. I was there. I'm betting the ultra conservative bible thumpers would love to have that back. The double standard was alive and well and the Pill wasn't on the market. Eisenhower was in office. I'm not sure you all, from what I read, want society to regress back to the 1950's. It may have sounded idyllic, but women's rights had a long, long way to go.

And, ladies, while you are a-fluffin' those pillows, remember they go in back of his head, not over his face. (that part was from me).

Great addition. LOL

And, ladies, while you are a-fluffin' those pillows, remember they go in back of his head, not over his face. (that part was from me).

Ha ha...wonderful!

Ms CYPRAH,

I agree with you on the rights issues which is why I said SOME of the aspects of the 50's.

The point I am trying to make is that we can't have just the good bits without the bad when we go back in time to the values of yesteryear.

I really don't believe that, those good bits I was referring to are worth going back to! I don't believe we have to "settle" for something less!

There are excellent reasons why we have evolved to what we are TODAY

And there is absolutely no reason why our society can't evolve to a point where we take the good things from our past and combine them with the good things from our present and purge the bad from past as well as the present. I believe the reason we study history is to accomplish just that, don't repeat the mistakes, but also use the knowledge from success to foster more success! The 50's were far from perfect , but there were some aspects of the 50's if brought into the present would be a positive step forward, not backward!

And there is absolutely no reason why our society can't evolve to a point where we take the good things from our past and combine them with the good things from our present and purge the bad from past as well as the present.

Yes, there is, because it goes against the natural order of Nature: i:e BALANCE. We were never promised a perfect world, and everything about our world suggests that there will always be bad parts and good parts. We can never have just the good in life, or just the awful life, otherwise it will upset the natural equilibrium. As I have said before, only people who benefit from something in the past like the idea of ignoring progress and returning to it!!

There really is no such thing as perfection in our world. That's wishful thinking especially when we believe we are losing control.

Clearly the thoughts of a philosopher (not meant to be condescending) and not a scientific mind, science always strives to take the good from a former state and combine it with more positive attributes. Which as pointed out is never perfect and while the positives are kept there are usually unforseen negatives, but they are new negatives not past negatives, and therefore the "Natural Order" is maintained, new negatives to try to fix, and new goals are set!

When nature evolves it keeps the beneficial attributes, it doesn't eliminate them, and adds to them which inevitably results in new negetives, but again they are new negetives, which evolution then goes to work on. And quite frankly that is what we did and are still doing throwing out the good things from a prior time for an all new way, instead of building upon the foundations of what was good and improving it!

As I watch what is happening in society today it never fails to astound me how people just sit by and watch as the things that people fought so hard to get (people died for those rights) are conceded so flippantly for no reason. What comes foremost to my mind are unions. They fought hard to get living wages, 40 hour work weeks, health insurance, safety standards, and a ton of other rights for people (mostly white males) and when the civil rights and womens rights movements came along instead of fighting to make sure that all races, sexes, and religions, etc. received the same treatment as white males of that time, they allowed the bar to be lowered for white males so in the end nobody really gets what they should have been fighting for.

As far as balance goes, no need to worry there, nature will always find something new to throw at at us, we don't need to concede anything without a fight!

Marlene, I read your post and I now feel ill! This is the direction that the Republicans want to go back to. Some people of that generation STILL think that way....that men should make more money than women, that women should do all the cooking and cleaning, etc. Sickening.

I guess that I have always been a bit of a rebel/women's lib type of woman. No man is going to tell me what I have to do....EVER! Thank God my husband knows this and let's me do my thing. We have been married for thirty years and we still get along great. The freedom that I have to be myself is what makes our marriage so strong. He knows that he has his freedom as well. Don't get me wrong....we do NOT have an "open marriage". We'll leave that to the likes of Newt Gingrich!

Tweetheart: Didn't mean to make you sick. Yes, some do feel that women are subservient. I think you and I lived through that era of change. Hopefully, there is strength in numbers and more of us want to retain our freedoms than not. The whole ultra conservative religious thing is starting to be a concern. One person on another forum actually wanted to move to the Middle East because she was afraid her children would be exposed to what she considered indecent programming on TV. I gave her a quote from Mrs. Francine Smith. You would like it. Congrats on 30 years!!! My 10th is coming up. I did most things very late in life including getting married, but damn, I had a good time. Thank you so much for your friend request. I am delighted to accept. You sound like a really cool person.

BTW, loved the comment about eye of Newt. I can believe that slime ball has the nerve to apply for the job. His personnel file should be stamped: Ineligible for rehire.

Well, they've pretty much already done that. Santorum has stated unequivocally that he'd use the Presidency to outlaw birth control.

And ALL GOTP nominees have said they'd support a Personhood Amendment, which would ALSO effectively ban pretty much every form of birth control, along with fertility treatments, etc.

You know it's a sad day for the GOTP when their own candidates are the the extreme right of Mississippi, which defeated Personhood by over 15%.

It's just crazy that they (Republicans/teabaggers) think that the majority of Americans want to go back to this ridiculous way of life. They don't. Hopefully, this will result in many more votes for Obama at the polls! I mean, who would take care of all of the unwanted children that would be born if contraceptives and abortion were banned? Has that even crossed their minds? I'm not even sure that the Republicans/teabaggers HAVE minds anymore!

Don't forget the fetuses!

"Won't somebody please think of the children!?"

Americans think of everything, eh? :o)

Goodness gracious! Words fail me!!

Now I know where to go if I ever need a crocheted spleen. Almost as good as the poop-soap I sent to some lucky receipients for Christmas (or Holiday). I paid extra for the corn.

As a Briton, these things never seem to amaze me!! :o)

@bonos: Nope, wasn't kidding. Thanks much for sharing that site. Ack! is right! LOL

LOL..:o)

Why on earth would anyone waste their time crocheting these things? Meh, I suppose they would wonder the same about those who spend their time doing what we do here on NV.

Hi Fieryone: Don't discount crocheted organs yet. I have an idea. There is also s crocheted fetus, complete with umbilical cord. As it stands, its marketed as a change purse. Let's make it bigger and call it a purse. The umbilical cord can be the shoulder strap. I say we market this in two colors, pink and blue, to all the hard core pro-lifers. Then, when we get their $$$, donate it to Planned Parenthood. I'd love to send out that thank you note. HA! It's not sold. You have to knit it, and the instrctions are on the web page. If only I could knit.

You are a spitfire Marlene! I love it.

Marlene, Don't discount crocheted organs yet.

LOL!!!!! That's the funniest line I've read for a long time!

FR sent. You and I have the same sense of humor!