John McCain: Sarah Palin Can Beat Obama In 2012

And not even in your advancing dementia induced wildest dreams!

John, you really need to take a break. Sarah Palin is a characterization of herself. No mean task. You betcha.

John, really, she's not gonna pick you man. Nothing personal. It's just that Sarah's through with you. Sorry.

John McCain is still alive?

Physically? Apparently, his mouth is still working. Mentally?... We'll have to get back to you on that.

Ya but Dingbat and Wingnut might be the two running.

/sarc

That is long overdue for McCain, who hasn't been in touch with reality for quite some time now.

Is McCain off his meds again?

Shouldn't they be checking him for Alzheimer's at his age?

That's what I was going to say AI!!

American llliminati, Fanned and Faved. Voted up! Still laughing(-:

Reagan did some of his best work under the influence of Alzheimer's.

best post yet!

Maybe we didn't know him well enough before. Perhaps he never had much integrity or intelligence. How much did we know about him in 2000? I think our knowledge was limited to sound bites and pre-written speeches.

I have no respect for him....womanizing jerk...now this brittle, angry old man wants to bring this half-wit back into America's politics? What the hell is he thinking?

What else would you really expect him to say? Besides, there are some pretty bizarre scenarios I could imagine where it could actually happen. Hard to imagine I know (especially since I doubt she will even officially enter the race) but it COULD happen. I think she is trying to fire up the conservative/right wing of the GOP/TEA party and is gauging support for a run for the Senate in AZ (John Kyl is retiring and she bought a house in AZ). Maybe a run for the Oval Office in 2016, but I think 2012 is out for her as an official candidate. Doesn't mean that she won't try to shape/influence the debate/gop primary though...

If Palin actually LIVES in Arizona that little pea brain of hers is going to dry up and simply blow away. Like a puff of desert dust. You betcha...

If Palin actually LIVES in Arizona

Bluelake if she does the question could be...Would she run for McCain's senate seat? How long does she have to be a resident and will McCain give her such glowing praise then?

Fascinating question. Arizona is a Tea party heaven, she would certainly play to their base.

rescue I have no doubt at all that she would be elected in his seat in a quick hearthbeat and only her zeal to go to a higher elected position would result in her downfall.

DS,

With Palin in as Senator, and that nitwit they have as a governor, Mexico probably would even want Arizona back anymore.

True, and I think McCain thinks Palin is an idiot....

Do you wonder maybe that since John knows he hasn't got one HEALTHY chance in Hell of completing a term, and he remembers how they screwed him out of his chance by sticking Palin with him. Now his payback is to not endorse but embolden Palin to screw the Republicans?

Or-

Is this another plan by the GOP to NOT get the whitehouse so NOT to have to answear to the economic problem they created again?

I firmly believe they "Threw" the election to Obama for this very reason.

True, and I think McCain thinks Palin is an idiot....

Oh yeah.

Susan

I watched the same interview (we libs like to watch FOX) and agree with you...he didn't give her a resounding endorsement....not even a tepid one...

Sort of like "is the moon made of green cheese"? and John answers "anything's possible."

The same possibility of Palin being president.....run, Sarah, run..........

Have you ever met Cornhusker4Palin?

Rick VT,

You are soooooooooo right. Voted up!

You know, Hot damn? I was wondering the same thing. I was CERTAIN that this story would've flushed her out of the woodwork.

ever since cornhusker spent aboput 2 days deleting every post on her catholic threads that was critical of paedophillia, i hav't seen her once, maybe shreiking the sky is falling often enough creates a bunker mentality.

I personally have a hard time believing in reality tv stars........

I also would NOT vote for someone who QUIT their last politcal post........

If you quit once will (would) she quit a year into the office of President?

Care to put money on it ? Or is it all mouth with you ?

I'm sick of the bloviating. Put up, or shut up.

You can put money on it. Current Vegas odds on Palin for 2012 is 10:1.

http://www.1800-sports.com/presidential-betting-odds.shtml

Personally I'll take all the action on the lose side of that I can afford. The 10% is a way better return than CDs these days and it's more of a sure thing.

Star3

Just that he [President Obama] has made way too many bad decisions, and has alienated a lot of people in the past 2 and a half years, including some who voted for him. No matter how hard he tries, now, to "fix" it, it's too late, people have already seen his true self in all it's deceptiveness, so anything he does, now, in an attempt to appear more for America, instead of against, will be perceived as phony. I am glad Bin Laden was found and put out of commission, but he can't take full credit for that, as an order to get Bin Laden had, already,

I cannot disagree more with such overstated claims.

Not a problem, bontox, we can't all agree on everything, that would get boring fast. We'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

Star 3, but you are giving too much credit to Obama when you mention him in the same breath as the Seals. The Seals are honerable, and tough, experienced at what they do and work on behalf of American interest. Obama fits none of that!

Bill, what can I say---when you're right, you're right, and you are absolutely right, so I concede that I did make an oxymoron by using the brave Seals in the same sentence with him, but I was just trying to give him credit for, at least, giving the order to go ahead and do whatever it takes to find the vermin responsible for the deaths of so many innocents. I have a strange feeling, though, that Obama might have said something like: Do what you have to, I just don't want to know the details of how you obtained info. Doesn't matter, OBL is gone, and that is a relief to a lot of people, now, we have to concern ourselves with the one who is his successor. I'd think, after seeing what happened to OBL, no one would want the job.

Finally a coherent comment on NEWSVINE....Nobody has a clue who will win this election...I tell you who you better look out for on the GOP side.... RUDY RUDY RUDY, no I didnt say JUDY JUDY JUDY for all you GOOBERS out there.....After watching Sarah, Newt , MItt and company look like idiots Rudy will seem very palatable to many in the REPUBLICAN party....He better not wait too long like last time though...He will be a viable alternative for those in the middle as well.

Hey, if John Edwards were a republican (at heart he is) he would be a great candidate to go along with Rudy, Newt, etc. etc.

Vthokie59-Oops when it comes to coherent comments, you don't make it.

CoH please, we can disagree, but not attack

I'd think, after seeing what happened to OBL, no one would want the job.

A bit naive, don't you think, for people who believe so strongly in dying a martyr's death?

Not naive at all, just realistic for normal people, but, you're right about their unrealistic belief that he is a martyr. Martyrs don't kill other people out of some misplaced hatred, they sacrifice themselves for other people, such as our brave heroes who are fighting for our freedom now. So glad none of our Seals were killed in the raid on Laden. That took a lot of dedication and courage on their part. God bless every one of them.

actually, he simply made a noncommittal, "anything's possible" sort of quote. It's obviously a mistake to think you know who WILL win this far in advance of the election.

Vegas odds has Obama at 1:3. There's no better analysis on the planet than Vegas book because there's real money on it. For anyone who thinks Obama will lose, you have a chance to make some money on it!! 100 gets you 400 if you're right.

As for McCain's comment, I think in essence he's being polite he knows Palin can't really win. It's the right thing to say after he picked her and an act of civility. This is the guy who after Bush/Rove accused him of mental instability from his POW captivity in the 2000 South Carolina primary didn't take the bait God knows I would have. That showed some class.

Palin odds: 10:1.

Anyone who has lived as long as McCain, or even me, knows that this early before an election you cannot predict anything. I remember people who were SURE that Reagan would lose in 1984, that Bush the Elder would win in 1992, that Bush the Younger would lose in 2004, and the list goes on. You don't know. You don't. Politics is full of amazing surprises. The election is one and a half years away! The unexpected happens. For the record, I doubt Palin is electable, but I've also been wrong before. So McCains's remark was actually highly intelligent.

Certainly McCain experienced it in 2008. I wonder what Obama's odds were 18 months before he won? Probably about 10:1. I really didn't see that one coming.

Out of the 3 you listed, Bush Sr losing was the one surprise especially to the "chicken farmer" to me the 1992 election was the most fun and interesting ever. I in no way thought Reagan would lose in 1984 Mondale was a good soldier for even taking the nomination for that one. I figured the 2004 would be close - and people weren't warming up to Kerry right from the start.

But you're right - a whole lot can happen in 18 months.

Just saw on the news that Sarah P. had dinner in NY with Donald Trump tonight, they dined on a large NY pizza. Maybe the two of them are cooking something up for 2012. Yeah, an interesting concept. At least we can expect that next year will not be boring!

I wonder if the chef Obama had flown to the white house made the pizza?

lol

You mean the chef who paid his own travel expenses to go and cook pizza at the White House? (That little gem was debunked long ago)

OomYaaqub

It's obviously a mistake to think you know who WILL win this far in advance of the election.

With all due respect, specifically whom did I say WILL win the election?

I wasn't accusing you personally of saying this. I was trying to explain what McCain probably meant. If you listened to the actual statement, he went to add that he wasn't saying she WOULD beat Obama. Possible and probable are two entirely different things. It is POSSIBLE that any of us will win the lottery tonight, assuming we play.

I know of a good mental health stabilization unit!

Well, second thought, I work there and I would get fired for laughing at him all day.

My County,

Palin actually made the comment that the reason they lost in 2008 was because she wasn't at the top of the ticket....what pompous arrogance!

Nice try on the putting words in my mouth.. again.. bonos. I thought he was dumb on both. Again though, nice try. My comments can be read on the torture seed. You really should abstain from assuming with me bonos, I simply do not fit the profile you have made for me.

Just pointing out the usual hypocrisy of the liberal. The man was an absolute genius last week according to libs. Now........ well just read the comments above.

teslo.... you of course have it wrong. We were saying that McCain was right on torture. After all the man was torture, so he does know about that.

So teslo will you vote for Palin. Is she your pick and if so, you do know that you are wasting that vote.

He was wrong on torture and he should know better. Also his words were taken out of context to mean something else surprise surprise. And I wish I knew how to actually link something cause this would be fun. But if you really want to check it out feel free to check out my page here on comments I have made. Hang tight I will go find the article and post the title here.

And just in case you missed it 43 Palin is not running. And its teslA 43.

BRB....

"McCain: Torture did not lead to bin Laden death" Thu. May 12, 2011.

I believe I am on both page one and two. No I do not hate liberals or other opinions bonos no matter how badly you might need me too. I despise liberalism the ideology and agenda and have made no secret of it either.

McCain was right and I think that you are doing nothing more than dis-respecting McCain on the torture issue. How was he wrong. The problem is that you people cannot stand that America's greatest enemy was killed by Pres Obama's Admin and somehow think that torture done in 2005 somehow lead to Bin Laden in 2011. Wow. Why didn't the Bush Admin use that info from torturing to get Bin Laden. Do you know how stupid that sounds.

I know Palin is not running, as she need people like you to send her $19.95 for her latest crap that she is selling. Make sure to go and see her film called " The Loser", or "The Quitter" err I mean "The Un-Defeated"

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I do not hate, once more. But folks are free to feel as they choose bonos it is those who try and silence those feelings/thoughts/opinions that I am always wary of.

Not disrespecting McCain just saying he should know better 43. And Palin would never get a dime from me thank you. But I have made my disdain for her abundantly clear all over the Vine as well. Sorry if you find my honesty disconcerting.

Yea bonos I truly wish I knew how to link things. But as I have pointed out here on the Vine I only recently learned how to effectively use spellcheck.

Once again, why should McCain know better. The real issues is that people who think that America should Torture should know better and that info was ccreditable should know better. Think about it for a minute. Do you really think that the info they Bush Admin got from Torture would not have been used to get Bin Laden. It doesn't make any sense. Bin Laden was in that House since 2005.

Okay sorry about the Palin rant. I do apologize to you

No worries 43 on the Palin thing.I know folks on the left get kinda excited at the mere thought of her running. It just makes me cringe. McCain should know better because torture is a multi-step process and he knows it. In some instances physical and psychological torture are used in concert to gain information. I am sure McCain is aware of this. More importantly McCain indicated that nothing he(McCain) considered torture was used to obtain information about bin Laden. I never saw what he would consider torture and given his experience I can only assume he means physical torture. But to blatantly indicate that no torture was used is patently false. And I said as much in my comments on the story. As well as my usual chiding of liberals.

So you either have to agree or disagree with everything a given person says?

Not necessarily fuzzy but there is agreement and then there is assignment of qualities that some will quickly disregard as soon as that someone says something like McCain has said here. I cannot think of the word to save my life at the moment, but a little more stick with them or stand by what you said earlier, would be nice on the part of the political party crowds.

Hypocrisy is often a willful lack of objectivity. On one issue McCain is a genius, pillar of integrity and honesty, now either he is these things or he is not. He can however be wrong in any instance. Does that make any sense?

Since you made it a point to Bonos about putting words in your mouth, then you can recognize when it's being done, and you don't do these sort of things correct?

Can you then tell me who speaks for all the liberals when you said this:

" The man was an absolute genius last week according to libs."

Anyone...anyone at all say this?

bagus you are attempting to split hairs and that is.......... Yawn..... boring.

Absolutely bonos but ( I know, 'must that bleep use but in every response') you must be sure of hate before applying it. Distrust anxiety and a host of words and phrases may be used to classify how some feel.

Sorry to interrupt you...happy trolling then.

19 total comments and you refer to it as trolling bagus??? Okie dokie.

All 911 terrorist were Muslims and not all Muslims are terrorist. We just need to be aware and watchful.

On an even playing Field, Sarah Palin would beat Obama hands down on intelligence, integrity, honesty, and patriotism. She would never apologize to our enemies, she would shout to the world all the sacrifices Americans have made to help the downtrodden, the poor and those under attack by dictators such as, Iraq, Nazis, Kaisers, Poi pot, Taliban (muslims), and on and on we go. Yes, America has made mistakes, but what country has not? The only perfect human being to walk the earth was "Jesus Christ".

Good words Bill but I do not think anyone can beat Obama next election. I could be wrong, but who in their right political minds would want to inherit what we have now? And I think the American people might just be willing to Give Obama the long haul to see if he can live up to the promise. And of course right now the GOP has no one who can run against him. Gingrich to old. Palin over exposure in the media they would eat her alive unless she has some charismatic miracle up her sleeve. Most are too damn old, and the same old as well. But that's just me.

tesla, I do not think it will be Obama that the Republicans will have to beat. If the US Senate does not require all potential candidates to be vetted, enough States (12 todate) and more in the preliminary stages want each candidate vetted to be on their ballot. I do not see Obama being able to get through the vetting process or even trying, unless he figures outs some way to by pass the election process like putin did before putting mevbed in as Russia's President.

I do not see Palin as our President, yet I would not object to her. she certainly is more experienced than the illegal one we have in their today with his great resume. Humm resume lets see we cannot read his thesis for what college, he carried three separate Passports, traveled to Pakistan when it was off limits to Americans, oh I forgot that was before he became an American or something like that. His relatives live in Kenya in shakes while he flys his kids to N.Y. for hamburgers at the cost of 10's of thousands of taxpayer dollars, and well you know on and on it goes and there are only a handful of people on this site t hat will recognize that America put a hypocrite into the office of president.

Bill... go away Birther. You, Trump, Palin and Fox News lost that debate. Birthers need to seek some medical help to get over it.

Bill,

On an even playing Field, Sarah Palin would beat Obama hands down on intelligence, integrity, honesty, and patriotism.

You forgot the sarc, cause I can't believe you actually meant that.,

Intelligence?, give me a break,

Integrity? I'm gagging, because Sarah and integrity don't belong in the same sentence.

Honesty? - LOL,

Patriotism?....hmmmm, but I think she's salutes the "Sarah flag." . I have no doubt about President Obama's patriotism, or Michele's for that matter.

rescue dogs, don't you realize that the more you put somebody down, and try to discredit them, the more you show your naked fear that they are actually someone to be reckoned with, because they are intelligent, and do have what it takes to succeed? The more you fear someones intellect, and capability, the worse names you call them, all in an attempt to, not only to convince everyone else of their inferior qualities, but to convince yourself, as well. If she were on your side, she would suddenly be bright and have the best attributes in the U.S.

Star, we liberals don't fear SP because we think she is intelligent or has what it takes to succeed. We fear the people who would support such a stupid, arrogant, ego maniacal person to be President of the United States. She has continuously shown her lack of knowledge on just about everything that a President should know. I would definitely question anyone's intelligence who would support SP for President.

Really, Star? Really?

She's considered a moron by a huge percentage of HER OWN PARTY as well...

How's that possible?

No one "fears" SP. What people fear is the mindless minority who wants someone with their own trailer mentality to ascend into the White House. You betcha!

I am a republican who voted for Mccain in 2008.... I have tried to like Sarah Palin....I really have..I would like her as a talk show host....I would like her on Wheel of Fortune when Vanna retires but IF she runs and IF she is nominated, no matter how much I despise our presidents policies , I simply will sit it out, because either way Mr. Obama will win and I will not be a party to the idiocy of her candidacy....Why is it the GOP will never learn???

Feel anyway you want, but the truth is, she is still very much admired and liked by a lot of people, and they question the intelligence of anyone who wouldn't like her; it appears to be only or mostly liberals who don't. What you perceive as arrogance is just confidence, and America needs people with confidence in their beliefs and in themselves. She is certainly no shrinking violent, nor should she be. And, no, she is not considered to be a moron by her own party; why would you think that? Because it's what you'd like? Not factual at all.

Star3

The more you fear someones intellect, and capability, the worse names you call them, all in an attempt to, not only to convince everyone else of their inferior qualities, but to convince yourself, as well. If she were on your side, she would suddenly be bright and have the best attributes in the U.S.

You are so wrong. I have the up most respect for intelligence whether one agrees with me or not. I have a post graduate degree, a number of friends in Mensa and have worked in several well known schools of medicine so I know intelligence when I run across it. A bright mind has always been a turn on for me, whether they hold the same opinion as I, or one that differs. She is a dim bulb, and although she may be liked by many people, even if she were on "my side" I'll still feel the same.

Now that is a lame excuse that you are using. Sarah quit as Governor for two reasons. 1) she could not perform her duties due to the 40 investigative attorney that the Democrats sent to Alaska for over 30 days work, and 2) The stupid press was hounding her about her family. The liberals are the only party that drag a politicians family through the mud.

Have a wonderful Memorial Day, take in a ceremoney

Bill.... I see that Pres Obama and other haven't quit and their names and family are too drug through the mud. She will never hold office again as Americans don't elected quitters, which Palin is big time. All Palin will be is rich, due to fools giving her their money and a freaking cheerleader. That is it. Also she is a coward too if she let the Dems run her crooked ass out of office.

Oh, lifeisgood43, With all the reading of 'this and that' and 'some of 'em', and 'all of 'em', and 'whatever's around', I think Sarah Palin doesn't mind being scrutinized. She's pretty well-read. :-)

Is there a requirement on this site for literacy? I'm just asking is all. Curious.

Quitting is better than being fired. I don't think SP needs to concern herself with what anyone thinks. She will do her own thing, follow her own convictions, regardless. She left her governorship to pursue other venues, with the approval and good wishes of the state and the people. So far, with the exception of disgruntled liberals, she has been well received and encouraged.

So far, with the exception of disgruntled liberals, she has been well received and encouraged.

I take it you haven't seen her polling numbers with the independents.

Sarag Palin broke her agreement to serve her state to the best of her ability, she failed and quit. She swore to do the job she was elected to do and she quit when she saw she could make more money in the private sector.

I would have have had a lot more respect for her if she finished her term as Governor.

I would not ever vote for Michelle Bachmann, but I respect her a lot more than Sarah Palin.

I would point out that it is a dangerous thing to create an underdog in America, especially in a competition. America has always had a thing for underdogs.

I find it amusing bonos that you and other liberals seem to know what is in the best of interests of folks you have never even laid eyes on. And apparently, at least according to the above logic, any time a leader is elected that does not meet your approval Americans no longer care for their country. Me? I am not worried about what folks are thinking or doing as long as it does not affect me, there is little I can do about the current state of affairs in the 'Palace" in Washington, but what I can do as an individual I have done. I speak my piece and hope it makes some think. That is all one can do with words.

When you say idiots are we talking about your definition of idiot or just in general? Are you also in charge of deciding when All of America has been stupid or have abandoned their country? It is this attitude displayed that has turned most of America off to the liberal message. It's not just the "we are better than everyone else" that bothers folks it is the "we are better than everyone else because we told you we are" that really rankles.

bonos_rama, per your post #21.44: Judging from the last election, I'd say so.

Dennis, Independents are wishy washy, can't decide who they like or dislike, wait to see who wins, then decides if they approve, or toss away their vote on someone who hasn't much of a chance, so no one, except liberals really pay much attention to their opinion. However, maybe their choice could do a better job if they were ever given a chance to prove themselves.

Independent and wishy washy are not synonymous. They just believe that neither a straight liberal philosphy nor a straight conservative philosophy is the way to go, but rather a mix of the two is what is called for; and what % of each philosophy is included in each issue is based on the specific issue and the needs of the time. They're quite decisive, as a general statement, and are usually much more informed on the actual realities of subjects than those who automatically back a candidate based on the letter following their name. The reason they usually take longer to decide on who they support is they're actually taking the time to research, listen, and weigh the information.

LOL, well thanks, Dennis for that very interesting theory, I'll refer to it next time I am checking out polls---something I seldom do, except out of curiosity, on occasion, because I don't credit polls with being an accurate way to determine much of anything concerning the average percentage of people's opinions, since not everyone participates in polls.

A thin skin bonos? You have accused me of or used the word hate in nearly every response you have made to me here and elsewhere. I would submit that someone for whom the word so easily comes is the thin skinned one.

Just for the record I am NPA. But I love that arrogant disertation on Independents up there. Amusing as hell.

I can only assume that the arrogant dissertation was mine? I'm curious as to which aspect of it was arrogant, especially considering I'm not one of the independents. Is it possible to hold a favorably arrogant opinion of a group or thought that you do not subscribe to, or does it merely show understanding of a thought process that is not your own

Thats a negative there ah Dennis. 21.46. However I do not understand how you could assume I was speaking to you when we both have the same posts on screen. Perhaps you simply missed it.

Apologies for the assumption, then. I assumed as such since the length of mine seemed to fit the appellation 'dissertation' much more so than Star3's original comment on the topic - I tend to be a bit wordy.

I'm wishy washy because rather than blindly affix myself to the ideologies of any given political party, I observe, evaluate, and generate my own opinion? Fine, I'll take wishy washy independent over predictable drone any day.

No worries Dennis. I am a bit cynical with my words. I am wishy washy too, I guess. As with naughty up there I afix myself to very little without some serious evaluation and even then I may change my mind. To become fixed in stone is to become a dinosaur fossil before having been a dinosaur.

I don't see that as wishy washy. I think of it as being open to new information. If your opinion changes based on the audience to which you are speaking, or to simply further your own standing or success, then yes, you can be described as wishy washy. But if you hold one opinion, and then later change said opinion because of further research, thought, or introspection, then you are not wishy-washy - you're learning.

Good point Dennis. I fear some would disagree with my being educated in any way however. I have base beliefs I suppose that are written in stone. But for me nearly every issue has three sides, you must be able to see them all to make a proper decision.

I have not used the word hate though have I bonos? I use despise. Want to know why? Because I have seen real hate up close and personal and it is ugly. I also think like the word ignorant it's true and real meaning has been lost due to folks slinging it around as if it were merely another adjective. I use loath despise or some phrase, because frankly I understand what hate really means and what it really is. I do not care if you judge me bonos but judge me on my words my actual words, not your interpretation of them.

I don't credit polls with being an accurate way to determine much of anything concerning the average percentage of people's opinions, since not everyone participates in polls.

That's because you don't understand how polls work. If you want to know if a poll is generalizable you have to figure out the poll's Power.

When private companies, medical facilities, government bodies and advertising agencies waste billions each year doing sample studies that alone should tell you there is something to the math.

No despise does not mean hate bonos:

"To look down on with contempt and scorn. 2. To regard with dislike or repugnance" Webster Third College Edition

That is what you want and need it to mean. You apparently lack even tolerance for the truth. Were I not a tolerant person why on earth would I be debating these issues with you?

BTW bonos I went looking because I was curious. You have used the word hate or a derivative thereof 17 times in the two seeds I have commented on. 17 times out of perhaps 35+ comments nearly half of them.

No despise does not mean hate bonos:

Your kidding of course...right?

Of course dispise does not equal HATE. One hates the person that kills a family member, or is a butcher like Hitler or OBL or Saddam, but one can dispise someone that is just plan out to try to do harm to others or yourself.

I tried to split a hair once, it's hard.

Also from Websters:

Related to DESPISE

Synonyms: abhor, abominate, hate, detest, execrate, loathe

Yes, Despise means hate.

Nope it does not. It may be related to it in the sense that many do not understand it's actual meaning, and substitute hate for lack of a more extensive vocabulary. But it does not mean hate.

And I did notice you avoided addressing the other comment bonos......again. It must be a delightful perq to pick and choose that which you will answer and that which you will avoid while denying that to others. Till next time then.

You're welcome BR.

Another one from Websters:

Definition of SYNONYM

1
: one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses

Yes tesla013, Despise does mean hate.

Do some Americans also have a thing for electing idiots against their own interests, merely out of spite?

Bonos, people hate being insulted and disrespected above all. Assuming you know what the "idiot's" best interests are better than they do themselves is profoundly insulting. Furthermore, you are just plain incorrect, since people's values differ tremendously. That is why you cannot possibly tell somebody else where their own best interests lay. Self esteem is more important than money, and you are assaulting their self esteem.

Here's an example: suppose a politician is prochoice and also wants more programs for the elderly. An elderly person votes against him. Was that senior voting against her own self interest? Guess again. From a Darwinian perspective, if my grandchild is aborted, I have just lost the genetic lottery, which is a lot of what life is all about. Whereas perhaps the program in question doesn't matter to me because I prefer to take care of myself, thank you very much.

Libs will never understand how badly their arrogance comes across to non-libs.

Libs will never understand how badly their arrogance comes across to non-libs.

Do conservatives understand how poorly their arrogance comes across to the liberals?

(You know, like saying "libs" rather than "liberals"? Thinking we all don't know how nor want to take care of ourselves? Telling us they know what's best for our women? Et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseam...)

IMHO It's actually flattering to be called a lib by a con. ;)

bonos, my oldest child is only 20, and as far as I know he has not fathered any children nor has he been responsible for any abortions. I do not have any daughters. I was speaking in hypotheticals here, and I was making an analogy. I was only trying to say that YOUR perception of another person's "best interest" may not be that other person's perception, and YOU do not automatically know better. Maybe you think economic gain trumps all, but any biologist will tell you that nature "disagrees" since we are all genetically programmed to pass on our genes. (Why else have sexual matters had such supreme, some would even say disproportionate importance throughout human history in every known culture? Sure, it's pleasurable, but why did we evolve to enjoy it so much?) Maybe someone else isn't particularly interested in either money or nature, but some other thing that matters more to them. Getting promoted or elected, for example, might trump all in their eyes. In no case would I presume to lecture them about what "should" matter more.

Maybe you think economic gain trumps all, but any biologist will tell you that nature "disagrees" since we are all genetically programmed to pass on our genes.

Any biologist will also tell you that we are genetically programmed to have multiple children, more specifically men having far > children than women.

Any evolutionist will tell you that our reproductive nature lags behind our societal advancements. Being multiparous in a incompatible environment can lead to physiological stressors that can be detrimental to the development of the succeeding generations.

Any psychiatrist will tell you that there is a correlation between people who have children they do not want and the children use of mental health services in the future. They will also tell you that a lack of a healthy sexual life can add the use of mental health services for adults.

Lastly any obstetrician, worth their weight, will encourage a responsible sexual life, OCP use for the effects of pauciparity, an emergent option if preventive options don't work, and respect for a patients autonomy by referring to a specialist if the patient seeks termination.

Ohiogirl, there is NO correlation between being "unplanned" and being abused, or even unwanted. In fact there seems to be a reverse correlation, maybe because you can think you want a baby and then find out it isn't so wonderful when he or she turns two. Child abuse is caused by things like stress, alcohol abuse, and having been abused as a child yourself. I should know. Ask any CPS caseworker. The solution to unwanted children is to WANT them, not to "terminate" them or whatever other cutsie pie euphemism you prefer. A normal mother wants her children automatically. If you just wait, pregnancy hormones will kick it that make it easier.

I am not suggesting we all have 10 kids, BTW. I am saying that a grandparent has a vested interest in having her grandbaby. Other people are affected by abortion, not just the mother. Also, most psychiatric disorders are biological and have nothing to do with how you are raised.

We're all very impressed by your vocabulary, though. s/

You missed my point entirely. And BTW the child would have been just as dead if Casey had an abortion. Her mother's mistake was insisting the highly immature Casey RAISE the child, which she didn't want to do.

Do you have any kids? Fetuses can be aborted for no good reason up to 20 weeks in every state. Most of us have seen our own baby on the ultrasound week at 16 weeks, and it's obvious what they are. Actually the period of organogenesis only lasts 8 weeks (10 weeks LMP)--after that it's obviously a BABY. (please don't play word games by insisting it's a fetus; that's just a medical term that means "child" in Latin anyway. At birth the term is "neontate" so you might as well argue that it's still not a baby then. You know what I'm saying.) At some point they can clearly feel pain. We're not sure exactly when, so why not err on the side of compassion? I am not talking about IUDs or other very early abortions of pre-embryos. I'm certainly not talking about the "morning after pill" normally given to rape victims who visit the ER.

Sorry, "neonate".

A two year old is a toddler, not a baby. And I already explained that a fetus over 8 weeks old is very far from being a "clump of cells". I actually took a class in embryology from a first rate public university. If you don't believe me, look it up. Yet at that point, women with irregular cycles don't even know they are pregnant if it's for the first time. (There are other symptoms that become more obvious when you've been through it once, but not the first time.)

It's highly unlikely that a 16 week old fetus that is already sucking it's thumb (I saw my preborn son do this with my own eyes on the ultrasound) has no emotions. Yet it's perfectly okay to kill it. As for thoughts, it's unlikely a neonate (newborn) has much in the way of thoughts either, but few would recommend killing it.

Saying that child abuse or child murder justifies abortion is about as logical as saying that spousal abuse justifies the abolition of marriage, or even the abolition of all relationships.

Maybe what we need is better birth control or even fully reversible sterilization. If your totally irresponsible daughter does get pregnant and keeps the baby, do all you possibly can to get custody. How could these idiots leave the girl with her mother, knowing what she was like?

Correction, SgtNick, Obama kicked America's ass in 2008, and now, hes kicking his own, and American's who regret voting for him, are kicking it, along with kicking their own.

Star3...... yet for all that you said, Pres Obama beats all Reps in every poll. Reps candidates are all confuse on what to say and how to run except attack Pres Obama. That is the Rep game plan. Even when Reps debate themselves, instead of attaching each other polices, they attack Pres Obama.

P.S...... Pres Obama did kick he ass of the Reps and their voters. Have you seen his latest polling. Have you seen the Reps latest polling. Pres Obama is climbing up and the Res are falling down all over themselves

Did you notice who kicked butt last Nov. in the run for congress? You ain't seen nothing yet. That was just a preview of things to come. Nah, as I stated earlier, I don't put much stock in polls, they're really not a reliable source. He managed to finish the job on getting rid of Bin Laden, so he is basking in a moment of renewed glory from that, but it will soon fade. He has to reverse all his mistakes in order to stay up on that temporary pedestal, and I don't believe he is going to be able to do that. The next several months will tell the people's mood.

What mistakes?

I don't put much stock in polls, they're really not a reliable source

*snicker*

What mistakes???!!!??? That was a joke, I assume. Do you want the top 10, or the entire list? Either would be a waste of time, since you, ie, already know what mistakes, and don't care, or you were making a joke.

Top 10 Star.

Sarah Palin realizes that the libs and liberal media is not on her side and she rightly will not give in to them and let them define her. She is more capable of defining herself through her own words and actions. She has the courage to follow through on her convictions and thank you Social media, the ability to convey them, without being filtered by a hostile press. It is no wonder libs and the Liberal press hate her. She speaks her mind and will not allow the liberal press to add there own comments.

The liberal Press and the libs on this site have no idea what Sarah Palin’s agenda is, and lacking concrete facts the two automatically assumes that her motives include gaining political power. Cute huh? The libs and Liberal media have completely overlooked the fact that Palin already has more than enough influence and political power to participate in our national debate.

It is my belief that Palin realizes that it is almost impossible to change the existing political system from within. It could be argued from what we see on “Newsvine Blogs” that Sarah Palin has more ability to influence much of our nations political agenda at this time than does the President of the United States, what is his name now? So why should she worry about the name calling by the Liberal Press or elitist call her, she is far above the fray and she should stay that way at this time.

Palin has “rightly” decided against kowtowing to the libs on newsvine, the liberal press and the liberal political elitist. Sarah’s tactics and message resonate with a large segment of America, it is that segment that believes in the greatness of America and he ability of individuals to accomplish the impossible.

Sarah Palin is proving that it is possible to change the Government system from without, all we have to do is read the negative remarks on these newsvine blogs trying to knock her down, with nothing by foul mouth derogatory words. She is proving to the world that it is possible for one un-elected American to effect real change in America without resorting to the foul mouth, potty mouth ideals that many have aimed at her over the past three years.

We all could take a lesson from this fine lady that has done nothing to hurt you, and yet stands tall and turns the other cheek for your dirty comments.

The libs and Liberal media have completely overlooked the fact that Palin already has more than enough influence and political power to participate in our national debate.

Influence- Check

Political Power- Check

Brain-

Brain?

Damn, well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

It is sort of unsettling that there are so many Americans that are pulling for Sarah Palin or is it that she will not give the CNN's and NYT"s type of Liberal media the time of day, so no liberal knows what to complain about except 3 year old news that is not new worthy. sniff, sniff I feel so sorry for the libs.

Bill... haaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Do you think that Palin is going to run. I bet you a Million bucks that Palin will not run. She is a quitter and coward. Palin is the one scare of that big bad "liberal media" She is so scare of @!$%#ing up.

She needs to write on her hand to remember stuff. I say that she has been smelling to much exhaust as her brain is melting away

The only thing us Liberals love about Palin is that she fools you people into giving her your money.

PS... as far as you feeling sorry for us libs, DON'T. We don't need anything from you

I am sorry, but it is her prerogative to not tell the main stream media where she is going, just as it is yours not to tell them where you are today or any day. Just because she is traveling the nation, does not mean that she looses her rights as a freedom loving American. So she fools Republicans and Independents into giving her money, it is still given freely and not stolen or twisted with promises that will never be kept such as Obama's.

Yes, I too when I put on two day seminars wrote notes on my hand, it was better than any teleprompter telling me what to say. So what are three or four words to help a person keep their train of thought? really a tough life when we have to make that a negative. sorry it just does not compute or stand the test of something very important in the full line of what we have to worry about with our current administration increasing our inflation of all we buy today.

Um... she is an employee of Fox News.

She's NOT ALLOWED to share information with other news networks as per her contract...

Oh, and the word is "LOSES" (Write that on your hand, so you don't forget, K?)

Why do people even try to defend Palin anymore. Are they that blind? Learn to pick your battles Bill.

it is still given freely and not stolen or twisted with promises that will never be kept such as Obama's.

Is this one of those "cult of personality" things? Palin can do no wrong, Obama can do no right, when liberals support Obama it's somehow hollow, but conservatives can SQUEE like teeny-boppers at a Justin Bieber concert anytime that vapid Alaskan appears and that's just ducky, &c &c &c...

Why is your support of Palin not open to charges of fraud? There's no way she'll be successful as a political candidate. Any money given "freely" to her in the hopes that she'll "take back America" is just going to support her media-elite pop star lifestyle...

I am trying to understand why people want to attack her for everything when she has not done one thing to hurt them? are we j ealous, insane or stupid. She has the courage to step out and make something of herself and does more for following our constitution than any of us bloggers, yet we have to try and degrade her. Does Palin have some sort of witch power over the people on MSNBC? Strange.

She might have, if she didn't wind up quitting. Now she's just made of herself a failed governor

Exactly bonos. What makes it worse is that she failed my home State. Now she masquerades her failure by somehow appealing to a bunch of morons and she embarrasses Alaska in the process. That Bill is why I take what a joke she has become a bit more personal than most.

I will contribute quiting when the liberal Democrats kept so many lawyers in Alaska that she could not keep the State running effectively, it was the honest thing to do. Mr. Clinton should have had the same courage and quit the presidency instead of wagging his finger at the American public.

Our main stream newsmedia has gotten way out of bounds on buying a house next door to Palin, so they could spy on who came or went, All I can say is those DNC operatives are just lucky we still have constitution, that many of us have fought for to keep it. I do not know, but I would hazard a guess that most of those spy's have no idea what it takes to defend the constitution or be credible people and not pester, snoop or occupy their offices every working day of the week.

Sad, the whole lot of people that think criticizeing lady that took on the no. 1 Alaska Senator and his cronys, now had to drive her out of the governors office.

Bill, your grasp on the English language is on par with your views on Palin.

naughtynumbernine, I have to agree with you, I was in a hurry to get to my Boy Scout meeting as I am the Scoutmaster and cannot be late. sorry for the rush job.

I figured it was something like that. Your spelling and grammar on that one were uncharacteristic of what I've seen in the rest of your posts. I apologize for making a derogatory remark about you based exclusively on one comment, particularly because it neglected the substance of what you said. Back to what we're arguing about- did you manage to catch her history lesson on Paul Revere?

Naughty number nine, No I am sorry I did not catch her history lesson on Paul Revere. I will look on the WWW and see if it is posted yet.

Thank you for your kind words they are appreciated on this site. :-) I hope you understand the meaning of that comment as I had a big smile when I wrote it. One of my biggest errors in posting is leaving off the "r" on your so it turns our you and I miss picking it up 8 out of 10 times.

Yes agreed, steven-791492

and I would have said to John McCain

John, she beat You

While McCain has never been a favorite of mine as a politician, he is to be admired for being able to survive the horrors of being a captive in an enemy prison, without becoming bitter. He made a better soldier than John Kerry, and a more honest one. And, I believe someone on this blog mentioned John Edwards, the jerk who couldn't even remain faithful to his dying wife; yeah, he's a real cupcake of a choice for a leader of a brownie troop, and as a presidential candiate---laughable.

without becoming bitter.

Hahahahahaha

"Get off my lawn!"

He's admired for NOT DYING?

Didn't McCain cheat on and then trade his injured wife in for a younger, prettier, and MUCH richer one?

Tell me some more fun stories about "honesty".

Laughable? Pull the other one, K?

Star... McCain cheated too and like some have said, he too left a sick wife

He left a sick wife who waited for him while he was a POW in the war... I think he's got Edwards beat by a few lengths...

So who's the jerk?

Ok, so did Clinton cheat, why is he not on your list of political jerks? No, Ewards wins the crown, for being the jerk king. Bonos_Ramas, if SP had not had confidence, she would never have run for Governor in the first place.

Who said anything about Clinton? (BTW, he didn't ditch his wife while she was sick/disfigured)

Keep moving those goalposts whenever it suits your agenda...

Yeah, Clinton wasn't mentioned, and that is exactly my point. He didn't leave his wife, because Hillary was the only one who would stay with him.

(and it was also not even in the same ballpark as the others, no matter how much you want it to be...)

That is my point.

Where's that top 10 list Star?

Sorry Star, but I think Clinton getting a BJ in the office while talking with the Russian premier shows that he was quite a multi-tasker.

Besides, such a high stress job should have perks!

:)

Bonos, you have to include the trump card... being a Republican quitter is acceptable. If you're a Republican, you can either spin the issue to give yourself an out ("exhausted by the media"... "polled my family"... "gonna work for America outside the office, you betcha..."), or claim that through prayer you've received forgiveness for any misdeed.

If you're a Democrat, though, you're on your own...

Sarah is dangerous is the problem. She and her like could someday be on a jury deciding the fate of your son or daughter..... and God help either one of them if Sarah doesn't approve whilst she sits in judgement! :-)

It was okay for her to contemplate abortion TWICE during the same pregnancy. TWICE

So in Bonos World, there is no difference between contemplating doing something wrong and actually doing it? Perhaps you have never known temptation but everybody else in the world experiences it all the time. But wait, if you have never known temptation you must be the Messiah. Why are you wasting time on Newsvine when you should be ending poverty, war, and injustice in the real world right now?

It's OK for Palin to contemplate abortion. It's not OK for her to have the right to make that choice, and then work to deny it to other women. That's Bonos' point, not the illogical "thinking equals doing" spin you're putting on it.

Jesus experienced temptation, so I'm not sure where you're going with that one either... but I find that many statements about religious matters are theologically off-kilter these days. And what is the deal with trying to characterize people you want to denigrate as the "Messiah"? Not only does it tend to hamstring your argument, but it cheapens religion... something the conservatives jump up and down accusing the liberals of, but seem to have no problem with when they do it themselves...

And I have the "right" to contemplate robbing a bank, as long as I don't actually do it or get involved in a conspiracy to do it. Legal or illegal is beside the point; anybody can contemplate anything.

Well - besides the difference of what you contemplate and what you do, sometimes we do learn from our life experiences and change our minds.

I know several women who are today totally "pro-life" who had abortions. They say if they had it to do over they wouldn't have done the abortions. I happen to be a "pro-choice" person, but I would still not want to invalidate this viewpoint based on what they did vs what they learned and what they believe now if for no other reason than I'd be spectacularly hypocritical based on things I've changed my mind about.

If I had to own up to what I used to believe, I should just kill myself now. I hope we all learn from our experiences and change our mind sometimes.

That means she believes it is a viable choice. That's not pro-life at all.

Let's make an analogy here. Who among us has never "contemplated" cheating on their spouse, for instance? (If only out of anger.) We don't actually do it precisely because it is NOT a "viable choice" but it's still a possibility. She didn't actually have an abortion, so therefore it wasn't viable for her after all. And BTW, legality has nothing to do with the issue.

Would you leave your husband for admitting he THOUGHT about another woman one time? After all, he "contemplated" adultery. Don't you really see the diference here? We do not believe in thought crimes--well, most of us don't. Sarah Palin is human, that's all. She's admitting to having had a bad THOUGHT.

And yeah, I've known many women who deeply regretted their abortion. Changing your mind isn't a crime, either.

OOM, Do not pay attention to bonos as he really does not have any idea in the world of what he is talking about. All he can do is respond upon the Democratic talking points and thinks he is great, instead of the poor follower of social destruction.

And no good person ever, ever considers doing something wrong. /s Come on, you don't really believe this yourself. I'm not saying ignore you. Hey, I'm talking to YOU. Please listen to yourself. You don't believe for a minute that anyone who considers stealing or cheating or whatever is actually a thief or a cheater or whatever. We have ALL considered doing very wrong things that we did not actually do because in the end our true values stopped us. If I am wrong in this, I must be the worst person who ever lived, because I think about doing bad things all the time even if I don't do them. Please don't pretend to be an exception, because if you are, I am going have to figure out how to worship you. You would obviously be the Messiah.

Tink,

I loved it when she was declaring the turkey, "safe" during Thanksgiving in Alaska, while in the background you see the guy slaughtering turkeys. Palin's truth, honesty and the American way.

Perhaps she meant, "safe to eat"?

Finally, someone who "got it". That's precisely what she meant. Thanks for showing there are still some people who are able to understand, instead of having everything explained, along with pictures and digraphs drawn to show them what should be obvious.

Tink, per post 25: I don't think she aspires to being your city's dog catcher, but if she did, and got the job, you'd be the first dog she'd go after. (Kidding, Tink! Couldn't resist, the devil made me do it!)

That one was popular in 3rd grade Star. If you're going to insult people at least try to make it funny. You can say pretty much anything if it's funny.

3rd graders have a better sense of humor and more common sense than most adults at least their jokes are clean, unlike those who tell weird sex jokes, then stand there snorting laughter, like it's the funniest thing ever spoken, while everyone else is looking at them like they have two heads sprouting horns.

WTF are you even talking about?

She does that a lot.

Usually later in the evenings...

I'll have what she's having. Note to self- Hide my laptop before I start hearing the colors.

We can always hope that they do, it'd be hilarious!