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Bristol Palin shows O'Reilly women don't need men to have babies

Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:07 PM EDT
politics, republican, palin, pregnancy, baby, adoption, motherhood, fatherhood, oreilly, bristol, switch, family-values, aniston, single-parent, single-mother, tripp, quayle, wedlock, unwed
By bonos_rama
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Recently, Bill O'Reilly decided to pull a Dan Quayle and become hot and bothered over a the idea of a fictional character having a baby out of wedlock. Just as Quayle made a jackass out of himself by making the television character Murphy Brown the target of one of his "family values" speeches, O'Reilly recently decided to go on a tirade over remarks actress Jennifer Aniston made regarding her upcoming movie, "The Switch", in which she plays a single mother. Aniston suggested that being an unwed mother isn't the worst thing in the world, and that women who have not found the right man can still have a baby on their own.

In typical fashion, O'Reilly went ballistic and claimed that Aniston's remarks were destructive to society and that single motherhood was diminishing the role of fathers. "She's throwing a message out to 12-year-olds and 13-year-olds that, 'Hey you don't need a guy. You don't need a dad,'" he said. "Jennifer Aniston can hire a battery of people to help her, but she can't hire a dad. Dads bring a psychology to children that, in this society, is underemphasized. Men get hosed all day long in the parental arena. The fathers that do try hard are underappreciated and diminished by people like Jennifer Aniston."

While Aniston is not a single mother, and the character she plays in her new movie is just that - a character, there is a very real high profile figure who has made the choice to become a single mother and raise a baby without a father. That person is Bristol Palin, daughter of failed Alaskan governor Sarah Palin, who got pregnant and decided to buck traditional republican values by raising her son on her own without a father in the home, rather than give the baby up for adoption to a loving couple who could give the baby both a father and a mother.

I haven't heard O'Reilly speak out against Bristol's contribution to the destruction of society, nor have I heard him chastise Bristol for diminishing the role of fathers. When can we expect him to defend traditional family values and do so?

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bonos_rama

Another single mother O'Reilly hasn't chastised is Laura Ingraham, who recently decided to adopt two children even though she's single, ,which means they'll have no male role model in their lives, and which also means she is destroying society and diminishing men. You would think he would speak out about this, but he hasn't. Hmmm. Even Ingraham herself has spoken out about how wrong it is to be a single mom, but of course, she didn't take her own advice. Ahem.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:11 PM EDT
Better Careful

"You do as you're told so that we might do as we please."

That is the crux of the self-indulgent and self-righteous attitudes of many of these celebrities. The right-wing celebrities got that "do as your told" thing happening. Moderate and left-wing celebrities, on the other hand, don't give a crap what you do. I prefer left-wing celebrities. Their self-indulgence is more honest.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:37 PM EDT
IckyIck

HOORAY for single mothers!!!! I know mine did a good job.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:47 PM EDT
Upscheidt Creek

Same @!$%#...different title...day after day....can't you come up with some real news to discuss...

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:48 PM EDT
bonos_rama

Aren't republican family values important? Oh, they aren't? So I take it you are liberal?

:)

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:54 PM EDT
Bernard Ira Lasky

Same @!$%#...different title...day after day....can't you come up with some real news to discuss...

I enjoy topics about young women like Bristol Palin who get pregnant out of wedlock and show that women can raise children on their own without a father in the home. Bristol Palin is a real liberated, independent gal!

  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:43 PM EDT
bonos_rama

Yes, Bernard - it seems that republican women these days are very staunch feminists that do not think men or fathers are necessary. Bristol Palin, Laura Ingraham, Mary Cheney (and her lesbian wife) and Ann Coulter are great role models for single women, single motherhood and lesbian relationships. I guess this is the new republican feminism Sarah Palin was talking about.

  • 4 votes
#4.3 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:51 PM EDT
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Mister Joshua

Do you honestly think it is desirable for women to raise children by themselves and without the father around? Bristol Palin is wealthy, she doesn't have to worry about providing for her child. The same cannot be said about numerous single mothers in this country. That we can glorify such situations is an unfortunate example of a society that thinks that the traditional family unit is inadequate and archaic. This should be common sense: don't have children if you can't provide them with a stable environment to grow up in.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:04 PM EDT
bonos_rama

So you are in agreement with Bristol Palin and Jennifer Aniston's examples that men are not needed except financially? Bristol doesn't feel a father figure is necessary either (except of course for the monetary aid she has sued Levi for). I hadn't realized that this was such a strong republican idea. Well, thanks to you and Bristol Palin for setting me straight.

:)

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:10 PM EDT
Bernard Ira Lasky

Do you honestly think it is desirable for women to raise children by themselves and without the father around? Bristol Palin is wealthy, she doesn't have to worry about providing for her child. The same cannot be said about numerous single mothers in this country. That we can glorify such situations is an unfortunate example of a society that thinks that the traditional family unit is inadequate and archaic. This should be common sense: don't have children if you can't provide them with a stable environment to grow up in.

Oh, so I guess you approve of Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter and her wife raising their child without a father because they are wealthy and can provide for the child, so a father isn't necessary in their child's life just as a father isn't necessary in Bristol Palin's child's life because her family has money. I like the way you think!

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:36 PM EDT
One Miscreant

That we can glorify such situations is an unfortunate example of a society that thinks that the traditional family unit is inadequate and archaic.

That we do it for ratings or politics is unconscionable. In doing so, it dehumanizes mother and child alike. What is a difficult undertaking to begin with, raising a child, is made into a parlor game by punditry and thoughtless opinion of blowhards.

  • 1 vote
#5.3 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:50 AM EDT
bonos_rama

That we do it for ratings or politics is unconscionable.

Why shouldn't Bristol be able to parlay her babmama status into big bucks on the talk circuit? She made 30,000 bucks in one speech alone! And that money helps her show Levi he's not necessary!

  • 1 vote
#5.4 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:18 AM EDT
One Miscreant

You deflected to Palin's ability to parlay her own misery and or mistakes. A personal agenda manipulation, IMO. I was clearly referring to the ratings whore, that is O'Reilly, and his dehumanizing of women and children. Apples and oranges, topically speaking".

  • 1 vote
#5.5 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:46 AM EDT
Mister Joshua

Bristol doesn't feel a father figure is necessary either (except of course for the monetary aid she has sued Levi for).

Well she's wrong. I'm sorry, but do you honestly think I am so partisan so as not to criticize the daughter of Sarah Palin (whom I dislike)?

Oh, so I guess you approve of Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter and her wife raising their child without a father because they are wealthy and can provide for the child, so a father isn't necessary in their child's life just as a father isn't necessary in Bristol Palin's child's life because her family has money. I like the way you think!

There hasn't been enough studies to suggest how children raised by same sex couples turn out. But the point I am making is that most normal people don't enjoy the notoriety and opulence that comes from being the children of politicians. If you think a 20 year old is fit to raise a child by herself, then you are sadly mistaken. And despite whatever opulence the family may have, a lack of a positive father role will have a negative impact on a child.

  • 3 votes
#5.6 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:52 AM EDT
bonos_rama

You deflected to Palin's ability to parlay her own misery and or mistakes.

So you think fathers are unnecessary except on a purely financial level? Then why did anyone criticize Jennifer Aniston? She's rich enough to have 50 kids by herself. Sounds like O'Reilly just criticized her out of a "personal agenda, IMO".

"And despite whatever opulence the family may have, a lack of a positive father role will have a negative impact on a child."

Which is why it is immoral for soldiers with children to go to war, IMO. Yet people croon and swoon over stories about these men leaving their children to go overseas for years at a time, possibly to never return. When stories of women raising their kids alone b/c their father has been away for 2, 3, 5 years (or have died over there) hit the papers, doesn't that also show young women they can "go it alone"? Why the double standards in this country?

  • 2 votes
#5.7 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:08 AM EDT
Mister Joshua

Why the double standards in this country?

Well let's see, which is easier for a child to understand: that their father was an annoyomous one-night stand and deadbeat that wants no part of them, or that their father bravely gave his life in the service of their country? At least in cases of the military the mother has the support of the father through mail and videos and monetary compensation, all evidence of love and care.

  • 1 vote
#5.8 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:44 PM EDT
bonos_rama

Um, either way the kid has no father, right? Either way, the mother has the raise the kid on her own, right? If fathers are necessary, then you can't support sending men off to die in wars when they have small kids at home. If the claim is made that fathers are totally necessary as role models in a kid's life, then that kid won't really care WHY he has no father - just that he doesn't...right?

  • 2 votes
#5.9 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:48 PM EDT
One Miscreant

So you think fathers are unnecessary except on a purely financial level? Then why did anyone criticize Jennifer Aniston? She's rich enough to have 50 kids by herself. Sounds like O'Reilly just criticized her out of a "personal agenda, IMO".

You are so fixated on your point, you actually lose credibility IMO. Fathers are important. Children have matured famously without them too. Are you really trying to make either point with proof positive distinction? Give me a break. The point I was responding to was Mr. Joshua's. You never acknowledged the wisdom his post. Shame on you and your shallow agenda.

Punks will make light of the fact, that children grow up without one or both parents. Their personal misery and struggle is none of yours or Bill O's business. You personal agendas are irrelevant. Those children will do just fine without your help thank you. Unless you are willing to step in and help the kids, without question, your agenda is moot.

Help a kid or STFU. I've help raise a fatherless child. You have been measured and found wanting.

    #5.10 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:03 PM EDT
    bonos_rama

    Then don't you think it's awful that Bristol Palin kept her child? She should have given him up for adoption....she's a selfish, selfish person, as Laura Ingraham calls unwed mothers who keep their children.

    Oh wait. She's an unwed mother too. Oh, darn that republican hypocrisy!

    • 1 vote
    #5.11 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:27 PM EDT
    One Miscreant

    Wanting.

      #5.12 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:34 PM EDT
      bonos_rama

      What's wanting is YOUR apparent belief that Tripp Palin only needs a wallet, not a father. Hey, YOU said it...that it's perfectly fine for a kid to grow up fatherless as long as the mom has cash.

      What's also "wanting" is your lack of consistency.

      • 1 vote
      #5.13 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:38 PM EDT
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      FSAALINDeleted
      The Spirit

      Bristol Palin does NOT talk about having a baby out of wedlock being a good thing. Quite the opposite, she speaks out about the problems.

      Aniston is a multi-millionaire. She can afford to have as many kids as she wants "without a man." Considering her retched history of relationships, I can understand why she would consider it.

      The fact is that for a woman living in poverty, having a baby out of wedlock is a guarantee that she will not be able to improve her condition.

      But hey, I'm really glad to finally see a liberal speak out against the evils of out-of-wedlock births.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#7 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:39 PM EDT
      bonos_rama

      Bristol doesn't talk about it being bad, either. In fact, she's never said it IS bad. She's showing young girls that it's a great thing. She's out there raising that kid and he doesn't need a father - she's proving that beautifully.

      Republican girls everywhere will see Bristol's life and think - wow, i can do that too! And there's no stigma. Just look at MisterJoshua at #5 - he thinks it's perfectly fine, too.

      "But hey, I'm really glad to finally see a liberal speak out against the evils of out-of-wedlock births."

      And I'd like to say I'm surprised to see a right wing radical like you supporting single, unwed babymamas, but then again, you aren't the first! Bristol and Sarah beat you to it!

      • 3 votes
      #7.1 - Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:42 PM EDT
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      mrsrachelm

      Everyone makes bad choices and mistakes. Bristol is no exception.

      My bad choice? Reading this so-called "article" on a full stomach.

      /vomits

      • 1 vote
      Reply#8 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:17 AM EDT
      bonos_rama

      Oh, so to you, denying a baby a father is merely a bad choice, like picking the wrong color purse to go with your shoes? That's fair enough. I just hope that you and Bristol don't try to later pretend you are for "family values" or that you value fathers!

      Now go take care of that bulimia problem. That's not a safe way to lose weight.

      :)

      • 2 votes
      #8.1 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:31 AM EDT
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