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Granny's herb garden; why she REALLY had chamomile tea and juniper berries

Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:28 AM EDT
health, pregnancy, christian, christianity, abortion, womens-rights, feminism, pro-choice, puritan
By bonos_rama
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Ever wonder why granny kept that big tin of chamomile tea, or that little bag of juniper berries hidden away in a cupboard? Ever wonder why granny and great-grandma tended their herb gardens with such care, had such a great variety of odd sounding herbs, and yet most of them never made it to the table in her supper recipes?

If your granny grew angelica, black cohosh, blue cohosh, juniper berries, chamomile, pennyroyal, parsley, cotton root bark, evening primrose, tansy, mugwort, rue, savin, celery seed, birthwort, ginger, yarrow, feverfew, rosemary, or sage, there is a good chance she knew exactly how to use these herbs to control the size of her family, and she likely shared them with younger neighbors and relatives who had "female problems".

Throughout history, women have known about the use of herbs to induce abortion. Even in the early years of the United States, when Puritanism was the main religion, and nearly 100% of people were churchgoing, "godfearing" Christians, women tended their herb gardens religiously. Women who lived in cities or did not have the luxury of having their own herb gardens were able to send away through the mail for herbal "teas" to "promote menstrual regularity" or ease "menstrual suppression".

If Puritans, who were so afraid of "god" and were fanatical in their devotion, had no problem with the idea of "restoring menstrual regularity", doesn't that tell you something? It's obvious these early Christians knew in their hearts it wasn't wrong. Sadly, while Americans today scorn the overzealous religious fervor and oppressive social rules of Puritanism, their women were allowed greater reproductive control and choice than many would grant the women of today.

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bonos_rama

For thousands of years women have taken control of their own reproductive functions. Women used to know all of the herbs and mixtures to use to control the size of their families and give themselves freedom over their own bodies. Once male doctors started pushing females (midwives) out of the picture and taking over in the name of greed and power over women, reproductive freedom went right down the tubes.

If Roe v. Wade is ever overturned (unlikely), women will simply go back to the old ways and leave men completely out of the loop. You think granny told grampa what that tea was for, or when she took it? Sometimes the old ways ARE best...push women too much and we'll always find a way to do what is right for ourselves anyway.

  • 15 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:42 AM EDT
ERich-356044

Excellent article!

*applause*

:)

  • 10 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:47 AM EDT
Proud Pagan

It's a good article, but you need a disclaimer. :-)

Before anyone actually tries any of these herbs in an attempt to interrupt a pregnancy, regardless of the reason, one should know that some of these herbs, in moderate to large quantities, can be very harmful or even potentially lethal. This is especially true if one has any kind of liver or kidney dysfunction.

In particular, Pennyroyal and Tansy can be toxic if not used in carefully measured doses. Also, essential oils of these herbs should NEVER be used; almost all are far too concentrated to be safe for ingestion.

In any case, it would be best to consult with a professional herbalist before experimenting with any herbs for the purpose of family planning.

Kindest regards

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:14 PM EDT
freebirdreaming

....... or read an herb book.

you don't need a professional to research the herbs mentioned here. I've b een reading for 7 years and have a good grasp of how to interact with these gems of nature.

only a very few can be toxic at certain levels .......

just do your homework:)

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:18 PM EDT
bonos_rama

You are right; nobody should attempt to create these concoctions without researching or consulting someone who is skilled in the art of abortifacients...

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:25 PM EDT
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Rygar

Very interesting, thanks Bonos.

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:53 AM EDT
Justme-517872

Cool article!

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT
Holly-348328

Excellent article, bonos. Very aptly put. Thanks for speaking up for women!

  • 10 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT
bonos_rama

Thank you. Women's rights is my passion!

  • 9 votes
#4.1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT
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freebirdreaming

it's women's business.......... thanks for the reminder that we really do control our bodies. it is a message that has gone away in the cyclical nature of knowledge.

  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:26 PM EDT
bonos_rama

Yes, in reading the history of abortion, it was clear to me that when male doctors started interfering, women's reproductive rights went right out the window. and yes, when women willingly ceded those rights to men by consulting with male doctors rather than midwives for their advice on reproductive matters. It only became a "crime" in this country when male doctors felt their livelihood was threatened. Before that, all those "good christian" pioneer and colonial women used abortifacients as a way to manage the size of t heir families, and it was widespread. It was just a way of life.

  • 7 votes
#5.1 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT
freebirdreaming

men were kept 'out' of it for good reason.

hehe........ a woman's reasoning. We made the mistake of thinking an education actually educated men...... we were wrong;)

sarc/

i actually have a son who has learned well....... there is potential;)

  • 8 votes
#5.2 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT
Loretta Kemsley

You're right on with your assessment. This was about the time the Comstock Law was passed. Comstock was a Catholic who objected to women being able to get information about their own reproductive functions or birth control. The Comstock law was used to prosecute Margaret Sanger for teaching poor women how to avoid pregnancy.

The RCC influence was behind Comstock. The Pope made a deal with Napoleon around this time to declare abortion a sin in return for Napoleon's help repelling the enemy. Until then, the Papal states were vast. But this pope was reduced to a siege within the Vatican walls by those who founded the nation of Italy. Napoleon was concerned about France's falling birth rate, which is why he wanted abortion outlawed. This political pact to save the Vatican is still haunting women today because of the RCC's fight against abortion.

Until that pact, the RCC not only approved of abortion, they regulated it, stating that it was okay for forty days for a male fetus and okay for eighty days for a female fetus. Let's not forget that the RCC was thoroughly against this "foolish experiment" in freedom and democracy in our country.

This timing went hand in hand with men taking over the medical field. Until medical schools were established, which forbade women's enrollment, women were free to practice. But schools needed government licensing to encourage enrollment. Since women couldn't go to med school, they couldn't get a government license. The entire intent was to create a monopoly on medical care, with men reaping both the control and the profit.

It's also about this time that the pharmacological companies began to be founded. They used women's herbal remedies (and still do) for their pills. To get a monopoly, they needed to stop women from being able to use them in the natural form.

Medical abortion was originally outlawed under the realization that men's medicine was causing too many deaths for women. It had nothing to do with the rights of the fetus. Men didn't wash their hands before any operation because they didn't believe their dirty hands would cause infection. Bacteria was not yet known nor were viruses. This was about the time of the Civil War, where it took a woman, Clara Barton, to clean up the military medical practices.

It was and still is all about big business.

Natural abortificants were recorded thousands of years ago in the very first written documents. That means they were common before writing was invented.

  • 10 votes
#5.3 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:52 PM EDT
bonos_rama

Excellent comment, Loretta! Absolutely amazing information! Thanks!

  • 3 votes
#5.4 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:10 PM EDT
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PaladinUSA (redux)

Excellent write-up.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:56 PM EDT
bonos_rama

Thanks!!

    #6.1 - Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:19 PM EDT
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    Annonymously Yours

    Natural Liberty: Rediscovering Self-Induced Abortion Methods ISBN: 0964592002

    Available to read for free!

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22321349/Natural-Liberty-Rediscovering-Self-Induced-Abortion-Methods

    There will always be wise women who do not need clinics to induce a miscarriage.

    Dangerous? Not if you are knowledgeable about the herbs and know your body.

    Many women have successfully and safely used herbs to terminate unwanted pregnancies. Just because it's not an option for some doesn't mean other women wouldn't want the knowledge, it is a personal choice whether one wants an abortion - herbal or clinical. Women should do their own research and decide for themselves whether or not she wants to take the risk of an abortion (herbal or clinical).

    Personal Use of Herbal Birth Control, Emmenagogues and Abortifacients *Safely* for 5+ Yrs

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:03 PM EDT
    mike lonkouski

    So, grandmother's herb garden equals abortion.

    Got it.

    Now, why did she grow all that marijuana?

    And what about that hemlock?

    (note, don't ever confuse the two)

    • 1 vote
    Reply#8 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
    bonos_rama

    It absolutely did mean that, Mike.

    • 1 vote
    #8.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:29 PM EDT
    mike lonkouski

    Then why did they allow me, the most evil man to ever live, to enter the world?

    Was I born out of season?

    • 1 vote
    #8.2 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
    bonos_rama

    LMAO!

    • 1 vote
    #8.3 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:42 PM EDT
    Loretta Kemsley

    I just posted an article about the Witch Hunts in Europe because Halloween is fast upon us and what Christians (and too many others) believe about witches comes from that rancid document.

    The entire document is filled with misogyny and is specifically aimed at women, especially "midwives" who used herbs to help women through pregnancy and childbirth.

    Here's their statement about midwives: "No one does more harm to the Catholic Faith than midwives."

    The Malleus Maleficarum: The Official Catholic Manual for Witch Hunting

    Here's the an excerpt of one section:

    Part I, Question XI

    That Witches who are Midwives in Various Ways Kill the Child Conceived in the Womb, and Procure an Abortion; or if they do not this Offer New-born Children to Devils.

    The Canonists treat more fully than the Theologians of the obstructions due to witchcraft; and they say that is is witchcraft, not only when anyone is unable to perform the carnal act, of which we have spoken above; but also when a woman is prevented from conceiving, or is made to miscarry after she has conceived. A third and fourth method of witchcraft is when they have failed to procure an abortion, and then either devour the child or offer it to a devil.

    • 1 vote
    #8.4 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:15 PM EDT
    mike lonkouski

    Loretta Kemsley

    I just watched a movie on Netflix that features the mid-wife conversation, is was "The Business of Being Born", it was very interesting.

    Also, on the subject of the witch trials, what do you think of the ergot connection?

    • 1 vote
    #8.5 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:31 PM EDT
    bonos_rama

    Thanks, Loretta. Even that shows that once women stopped taking control of their own needs and giving it over to others, that's when people started believing they had the right to control them. A nicely kept herb garden and a little knowledge passed down from mother to daughter is all that was needed for many, many years (and in many countries).

      #8.6 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:49 PM EDT
      Loretta Kemsley

      The ergot theory is interesting. It might explain certain demented minds in certain locales at certain times, but would it apply over many centuries in many areas and in all cases of the demonization of women's powers? Probably not.

      For instance, would it apply to the Hebrews and their paranoia about the powers of a menstruating woman? They believed if she entered their temples, her magical powers would so far outstrip the men's magical powers, their rituals would be in vain, so she wasn't allowed inside the temple. They also believed if a menstruating women walked too close to a man, she could strike him dead. Do you think that ergot was the cause of those superstitions? (BTW, the menstruating woman was feared all over the world with many, many cultures banning her from the village. There are still some cultures who enforce this practice).

      If you read the Malleus Maleficarum, it does not seem to be written from a delusional mind, even though it is filled with superstitions that would be silly if they did not carry such tragic consequences. The authors called on centuries of misogyny to write their screed. Did ergot cause all of that over the centuries?

      How about the witchcraft trials in America centuries later? Were they too caused by ergot?

      There are too many cultures, too many areas and too many eras for ergot to be the sole cause even if it somehow contributed.

      But let us say for arguments sake it did. Why weren't their delusions focused on others? Why "witches"? Delusions tend to be very individual. One would think this person's delusion would be about this guy or group of guys and that person's delusion would be about this gal or group of gals. But they weren't. If they were all delusional, then they all shared the same delusion. What would be the chances of that?

      • 2 votes
      #8.7 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:48 PM EDT
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      Lisafrequency

      I am an herbalist and I have had many women ask me if I would make them something to start their period I always tell them no even to close family members.

      I do hate how government has become involved with reproduction and I especially dislike politicans who use abortion issues as a campaign tool.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#9 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:40 PM EDT
      mike lonkouski

      and I especially dislike politicans who use abortion issues as a campaign tool.

      God! Me too!

      Talk about something that has been made way, way too political!

      It's terrible.

      • 2 votes
      #9.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:43 PM EDT
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      jwc2blue

      Nice article bonos.

      We don't pay enough attention to the wonders and bounty that nature provides us.

      Such a shame that we've come to expect manufactured remedies to be better.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#10 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:28 PM EDT
      bonos_rama

      Thanks JWC.

      • 1 vote
      #10.1 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
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